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Comment on Familytree – Syrian Christians DNA Project Information by sj

sj — Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:06:58 +0000

Dear Mathai
I was not replying to you but to jinoy who seemed to link those(or maybe i just felt like that)

Comment on Familytree – Syrian Christians DNA Project Information by Mathai Varghese

Mathai Varghese — Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:09:30 +0000

Dear sj,

I am involved a lot into DNA. I or others do not recollect connecting ‘DNA with Salvation’. They are both very different. I am involved in DNA matters only as far as study of Ethnicity and history is concerned.

Comment on Role, Characteristics, List and Tomb of Archdeacons (Arkadiyakons) of Saint Thomas Christians by George Kalli illath

George Kalli illath — Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:26:02 +0000

It is not difficult for the Malankara Nazranis to re establish the office of ARKADIYOKAN without disturbing the existing setup of the churches.The selection of Arkadiyokan can be left to Almighty by allowing the elder most among the Bishops(other than Head of churches) belonging to Churches claiming St. Thomas origin. An Arkadiyokan council /synod can be formed by nominating two elder most Bishops from each church. other than the heads,and the Arkadiyokan. This synod can gradually pave ways for greater Nazrani unity.
The individual churches can have their own setups and at the same time,be connected to the Arkadiyokan in a manner similar to the various Catholic groups connection with the Pope.

Comment on Familytree – Syrian Christians DNA Project Information by Jose Joseph

Jose Joseph — Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:39:52 +0000

The population size of the Syrian Christians is approximately 30 Lakhs. Applying the principles of statistics, we can deduce that the most recent common ancestor (The most recent person who is an ancestor of everybody- MRCA) of present day Syrian Christians lived approximately 22 generations back. In other words, all present day Syrian Christians are at least 22nd cousins. Considering the average distance between generations to be 25 years, we can presume that Syrian Christian MRCA lived about 550 years back. If we go back in the past, further a point will reach when all Syrian Christians at that time, who have any descendants among the present-day Syrian Christians are actually ancestors of all present-day Syrian Christians. Again by statistics, this will happen about 1.77 times the MRCA, point. This means that all Syrian Christians who lived back about 973 years back (AD 1040) and having their line of descendents, surviving to this day, are the ancestors of all Syrian Christians living today. This means that all the west Asians migrations and early conversions has the impact on the genetic constitution of us.( Refer Joseph Chang- Most Recent Common ancestor )
The percentage contribution of various heritages as revealed by the testing of few Syrian Christians by National Geographic’s Geographic Project, is as follows
54% Southwest Asian
25% Southeast Asian
13% Mediterranean
4% Northern European
It is likely to be true for every Syrian Christian, with minute variations only, whatever be the paternal haplogroup and mitochondrial dna haplogroup, which constitute only a minuscule percentage of the genetic makeup

Comment on Familytree – Syrian Christians DNA Project Information by sj

sj — Wed, 12 Jun 2013 02:28:35 +0000

Jinoy , i personally dont care about having jewish dna .As a whole people who have tested from our community show 5-10% of dna similar to near eastern and caucasus people .Some of it may be ancient and some of it may be recent . We cant tell it is from jews or any other people or simply an ancient relation between people of south india and caucasus . In my case my interest in dna is more scientifically inclined . The chance of full genome sequencing excited me though it would take many more years for that to available at reasonable price . After testing my dna i learned many things which otherwise i couldnt have .so defnitely i gained from it.
As i said earlier keep religion and science seperate . Knowing your dna doesnt know help in religious life or anything related to it and it is not the point of dna testing . What is real nazrani ? there is no thing like real nazrani . Maybe you are thinking of our ancient traditions or something . Keeping old traditions which are not compatible with 21st century is quite useless .My advice is think above religion and what should i do to be a better human being ? .The religious and god fearing life helps in creating a good conscience in us . But if we tend to do things aganist our conscience (ie to do something even when our conscience tells it is wrong ) then there is no use in being religious.

Comment on Familytree – Syrian Christians DNA Project Information by jinoy

jinoy — Mon, 10 Jun 2013 04:09:13 +0000

dear sj,

it is very difficult and tough to follow the real nazrani lfe style in present condition according to my knowledge.By finding dna history,we are not going attain anything.

jinoy

Comment on Familytree – Syrian Christians DNA Project Information by jinoy

jinoy — Mon, 10 Jun 2013 03:57:39 +0000

dear sj,

i never say that the holy bible is a history book.you wrongly interpreted my word.i don’t have any negative response to dna analysis.The jews had settled every part of world and had come in kerala.I travelled in many countries so far and talked different nationalities also.If you want to know more about nazrani or nazrani history,please refer book .thirusaba charitram ,Fr.xavier Kudappuzha,(available in major syro malabar major seminaries).Please realise that,why i said to refer bible with DNA matter,the god almighty will look into your dna and anciestral roots.He will look after those who trust him.
please give answer to following question ( in practical point of view)

1) what you will gain ? (if your dna is similar to jews)
2) if not,what you will do?
3) what are main duties of a real nazrani to himself and other?
4) how you can define a real nazrani?